.22 vs. 9mm

[Dracos]

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The fact of the matter is any gun in your hand is going to discourage an attacker. Of course its a tradeoff. If I knew in advance that I was going to be in a fight I would either not go there or take a 12 gage with 00B or an AK.

[bdcochran]

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1. a firearm is a tool, just like comparing a hammer to a saw- what is the application?

You already know it. So, you don't use a 9mm to take a rabbit, if you intend to eat it.

2. a discussion of caliber alone avoids a discussion of skill level. Very few people ever pay for a skills class - and when shtf, they won't be far up the food chain.

In January, I was at a public range. Two nice guys were shooting AR15s at 20 yards, standing. They were shooting two foot patterns with a weapon that has a military standard acceptance of three inch groups at 100 yards. This describes most people and their skills level.

A civilian's encounter with danger will be at grappling distance. It will not be in a Red Dawn scenario. At that distance, neither caliber will probably be a manstopper that will avoid physical contact.

3. I concluded a long time ago that hypothetical discussions about kinetic energy were useless. If a guy doesn't have skills, he is going to miss. If he has skills, he understands human ergonomics, human physiology and biology and it won't matter what caliber that he uses.

4. The .22lr is more versatile, the ammunition is lighter, the ammunition is cheaper and it wins.

[prkchp76]

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while i like the 22 and it is a great back up for the backup of the backup i think the 9mm is a great backup to the primary weapon which should be no smaller than a 500 smith just sayin

[Dracos]

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As I told my son. "A 22 bullet that goes exactly where you wanted it to is more effective than a 10 second burst from the Vulcan cannon on an A-10 that misses." I bet it would discourage trespassers though.

[cwconnertx]

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As I told my son. "A 22 bullet that goes exactly where you wanted it to is more effective than a 10 second burst from the Vulcan cannon on an A-10 that misses." I bet it would discourage trespassers though.

I understand, but if you know a source for a vulcan I'm interested

[Dracos]

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Star Trek!!!!

[hudson69]

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If you like .22's then go with it. If you want larger go larger. I like my .22's but mostly to practice with. I carry a .22LR HP22 for jogging and when I really need to keep something concealed and my .357 snub is still too big; normally I carry a TSW 9 or the .357 snub.

.22's are great training tools though, especially if you can find one that looks/functions like a "full-size" version of what you normally carry, like a 1911.

[Centurion]

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I believe that most people are saying the same thing here. The .22 has its applications,but most people would prefer a larger caliber for a self defense purpose.

I am in agreement with BS and the others in this regards with a simple question for you.

If a person were to take damage, which round would they prefer it to be from?
Answer: .22 which in all liklihood is survivable, if it does not hit anything important which it probible will not since the person is trying to squeeze of multiple rushed rounds.Compared to the person who moves slow but shoots fast with a .45 which only needs to hit with one round.

From a prep standpoint the .22 is a cheep and dirty little round. Yes, one can buy bricks and lots of bricks to put away for small game and general boredom to plink away with. However the .22 cannont be reloaded wereas birdshot can be.
Anyways I really can't believe we are comparing a .45 to a .22, seriously bring them both to the range and compare the holes in the target.

[weaver]

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The larger the caliber the more impact and force it is going to have upon hitting the body. This is why so many people like the .45.

Force of impact is minimal. A 2 x 4 to the head offers more blunt trauma.

Open wound channel, severed veins and bleed out are what kill.

.45 makes a bigger hole, more likely to damage nerves, cut veins and cause bleeding.

Blunt force trauma will stop or slow down momentarily, but loss of blood kills.

That being said, a well placed .22 kills as well as a .45. But which one is more likely to tear flesh and break bones if your shot is slightly off?

For me the 9mm is a good compromise in size, cost, availability and kill ability.

[cwi555]

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.22, 9mm, .45, 357mag, 44mag doesn't matter. Dead is dead.
I would have zero problem picking up any of the above self defense.