Movie Shootings!!!!!

**jezcruzen** · 07-21-2012, 07:09 AM

We suffered our own mass-murder here in my state - Va. Tech. Of course there was Columbine. There have been others not as noteworthy that have either occurred or attempted in malls and in at least one church. Most recently there was the shooting at the bar where a patron returned and sprayed bullets into the building.

One major common thread between all of these events seems to be that they all occurred in gun free zones - in locations where policy, regulation, or law precluded law abiding citizens from legally being armed themselves. There they are, part of a large crowd in the confines of a physically restricted area, and unarmed. Furthermore, the venue is such that the thought of being murdered never enters anyone's mind!

I read somewhere that concealed carry is not legal in Colorado. I'm sure one of you can correct that notion if I am in error. But if its accurate, I think that the state has some responsibility here. If its was simply a corporate policy of the theater, then that corporation has some responsibility for the safety of its patrons. Same goes for those businesses who put the "No Firearms" signs on their entry doors. Having the right to protect and defend yourself, but being denied the means to do so is the same as not having the right to defend yourself... or your family... or the person sitting in the theater seat in front of you. People are herded into these "kill zones", and when some crazy acts its the people's rights that are herded into these zones that the media screams for to be taken away! Thats crazy as well.

The dead are dead, and nothing can be done for them. I pray for the surviving families and those wounded. I also pray for my country. The wolves have long been at the door and this is fresh encouragement for them.

**myakka** · 07-21-2012, 08:07 AM

I want to comment on the idea that because we don't train in these special situations that we would be ineffective,
I think there would be a definate affect whether someone hit the guy in a bullseye kill shot or not. body armor attempts to limit penetration. It does not completely make you invulnerable. Just the psychological effect of having someone return fire would have limited how long the creep stood there and unloaded. As someone posted above, having someone shoot at you and you return fire is a special situation that many folks are not prepared to handle.

So returning fire would have been "scary", and if the defensive shooters made any hits, then they would have had some physical effect to. Someone on here that has been hit in body armor should comment on the feeling of the round hitting your body. There is physical trauma whether it penetrates or not. If the "victims" did hit him in the upper torso/ head area, then I promise he wouldn't have just stood there and cycled rounds the way he did.

OK that's my opinion. Anyone just needs to look at the towns and countries that require gun possession for citizenship, and check their crime rates.
The one thing you know when you attack anyone is that they are armed. Good deterrent

**whisper** · 07-21-2012, 09:42 AM

Every news channel has had at least one person anti gun on. They seem to forget this guy could have easily had a bomb strapped to him. In Chicago they have had up to 30+ shootings over a weekend. Every week end you hear of shootings. Chicago is anti gun. Does this stop the violence, no. With this shooting spree anti gun lawmakers will be coming out of the woodwork , trying to take our rights away. The heat will be on law abiding gun owners for awhile.

**dalewick** · 07-21-2012, 10:04 AM

I think there was a song in the 1980's by Don Henley, "Dirty Laundry" that sums up the media pretty well. You can't change or alter someones opinion that has an agenda, unless you change there agenda. When things have slid far enough away from what the country started as, then there agenda will change. Better or worse, who knows.

Dale

**wac220** · 07-21-2012, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by Mangler

This sums it up for me.

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I agree whit this quote. I do not feel this is in "poor taste." Just because we fear what the government will do from this point forward does not mean we do not have compassion for the loss of life of the victims.

**Mangler** · 07-21-2012, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by coyotee

Poor taste Mangler.

A bit insensitive in the timing I admit to that. Thanks for the reminder.

**Survivorman** · 07-21-2012, 05:16 PM

Amazing how many folks here think they're Jason Bourne.

**hawkcrewchief** · 07-22-2012, 12:09 AM

Originally Posted by coyotee

hawkcrewchief,

Enuf about ur supposed super power capabilities. Only u care. We don't. Stick to the thread and stfu already. Please stop bragging about urself.

Wasn't bragging. As telling it how it is in a stressful situation and that if you haven't trained for it you wouldn't hit the broad side of the barn trying to take that guy down. So I was sticking to the thread by keeping it real about real shooting situations and not fairy tales.

**dalewick** · 07-22-2012, 12:30 AM

Originally Posted by hawkcrewchief

Wasn't bragging. As telling it how it is in a stressful situation and that if you haven't trained for it you wouldn't hit the broad side of the barn trying to take that guy down. So I was sticking to the thread by keeping it real about real shooting situations and not fairy tales.

hawkcrewchief, Don't sweat the small stuff. Those who have can't explain to those who haven't what we can't forget. Jason Bourne, John Rambo and John Wayne were never soldiers and anybody that doesn't like what is said should take full advantage of their right to enlist and serve. Don't judge a man that has walked through hell, until youv'e walked through the same hell. End of rant. Appoligize for getting of thread.

Dale

**myakka** · 07-22-2012, 08:55 AM

I think the discussion of whether shooting back would have worked is fair and valid no matter how effective you might think it would be.

And I think it is time to stop censoring threads. This is at it's most basic a "discussion". If you want to test how that goes call your mom and tell her about one thing that happened to you this week. She will reply about a cousin who had the same thing happen, then the conversation will go to the cousin and what they are doing now etc. Or she will jump entirely to a new thing that happened to her at the same time. It is natural when many people chip in that they feel what they are saying ties in to the conversation as it develops.

I have said this before: If you want to spout off and get no drift in topic then start a BLOG. If you are coming into a public FORUM then suck it up as folks chip in with what THEY fell is pertinant.

Coyote, I didn't find anything wrong with hawkcrewchief's response. And I will thank you to stop speaking for what WE do or don't care to hear about when it comes to sticking to threads, or other forms of censorship. Please.