Maybe it is just me but thought I would ask

[longrangehunter]

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With all do respect if your friend is spending 12k on hunts and not getting anything he needs a different guide. It isn't just to shoot something but being out in the woods with friends. the reason hunting and fishing is and has to be regulated is because otherwise more people than those who hunt illegally now would go out and shoot whatever with whatever like the guy in wiscon or those 3 boys who drove around in a truck seeing how many deer they could shoot. over a hundred were shot and not one was recovered. when the only punishment they get is a slap on the hand and they don't get a hunting license for a year or two year which he didn't have one in the first place. if the farmer is cutting down trees not on his land that is illegal and you could have turned him in for illegal cutting. if everyone hunted the way they wanted to hunt there would not be anything left to hunt.

[drt4lfe]

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I have just started long range hunting and my goal is a 1000 yd. or longer shot....560 so far and it was a one shot instant kill...deer never left tracks...I have a Armalite AR30 .338 Lapua magnum and have shot paper to a 1000 and hitting animal at that range is not easy but it is a ( skill ) I want to be good at....I also use markers set at area's where animals will come out at and range with mil-dots...very effective way to range a target....I know that I will shoot less and sit more but, that is nature of the ( skill ) learning wind , range estimation and making those adjustments is a very real ( skill ) my 2 cents...

[dalewick]

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I have just started long range hunting and my goal is a 1000 yd. or longer shot....560 so far and it was a one shot instant kill...deer never left tracks...I have a Armalite AR30 .338 Lapua magnum and have shot paper to a 1000 and hitting animal at that range is not easy but it is a ( skill ) I want to be good at....I also use markers set at area's where animals will come out at and range with mil-dots...very effective way to range a target....I know that I will shoot less and sit more but, that is nature of the ( skill ) learning wind , range estimation and making those adjustments is a very real ( skill ) my 2 cents...

A copy of Special Forces Target Interdiction Training FM might possibly interest you and it is a great learning tool/reference for long distance shooting. Thought it might interest you.

[KyleJS]

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just trying to look professional, which isnt that cool in my opinion. Like Bue said above, it all about getting as close as you can for me. my dad, brother, uncle, cousin and me were coming over a hill and we came within 100 feet of a monster 5x4 (points dont matter as much to me, this one had a length of 10 feet nose to back legs hanging) and the doe accompanying him. i was using my Mosin-Nagant iron sights, and to this date i have never had a better hunt for deer.

[MGF]

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With all do respect if your friend is spending 12k on hunts and not getting anything he needs a different guide. It isn't just to shoot something but being out in the woods with friends. the reason hunting and fishing is and has to be regulated is because otherwise more people than those who hunt illegally now would go out and shoot whatever with whatever like the guy in wiscon or those 3 boys who drove around in a truck seeing how many deer they could shoot. over a hundred were shot and not one was recovered. when the only punishment they get is a slap on the hand and they don't get a hunting license for a year or two year which he didn't have one in the first place. if the farmer is cutting down trees not on his land that is illegal and you could have turned him in for illegal cutting. if everyone hunted the way they wanted to hunt there would not be anything left to hunt.

I think this reply was to me?

Anyway, if I recall, the $10K plus hunts I referenced were the Alaskan hunts and so forth. In any case, a western hunt can run an awful lot of money for an out of stater too.

A hunt may not only be about shooting something but that's certainly the goal. I don't need any expensive licenses or equipment to just be in the woods with friends.

Also, I didn't intend to suggest that there be no regulation of hunting. It makes sense to limit the take for conservation purposes and to restrain one person from causing harm to another...so we have bag limits and some rules concerning what kind of weapon you can use and where you can use it.

By contrast, the state already limits how many deer I can kill. Whether or not I drop a few apples on the ground to get them to come on my side of the fence where it's legal for me to shoot should be my business.

Oh, the farmer cutting the trees was cutting them on land that he leased the farming rights to. Whether or not he was permitted to cut them is between him and the land owner. Still, it changed the deer pattern steering them away from my little property.

I just passed on turkey season because the license is $32 (the turkey tag and a "game bird habitat stamp"). The season is only about 3 weeks long and they only let you hunt half the day on public land. The only place I have to hunt turkey is public land and I'm not going to pay the fees and have then steal half my season.

One gets tires of spending a lot of money in license fees every year and only bringing home a few squirrels because they don't have a good place to hunt.

I've been feeding this government lots of money for nearly half a century and now I'm ready to shoot some stuff.

[JLBIII]

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I must give our Fish and Game dept. an A+ for their attempts at keeping our deer herd on the increase. Like other states they regulate season dates, and kill ratios for buck and doe. They also regulate what weapons can be used in certain areas, and are very specific about the caliber rifle you can use, the draw weight of your bow, and the minimum size of bullet for muzzleloaders. Licenses can be expensive but almost all their budget comes from the sales of fishing and hunting licenses and the tags you need for each animal. They also use boat registrations, snowmobile, motorcross bikes and ATV's. So though I hate how expensive licenses are here I do understand why they are.

These funds help maintain everything people use in the outdoors. The only people who get away without paying anything into the system are bicyclists, canoe and kayak users, and hikers. That's why if you get lost in the outdoors or need to be rescued from a lake or river and the F&G determine you were negligent in your actions they will charge you for the cost of your rescue. A huge amount of their meager budget goes to rescuing idiots that probably shouldn't be attempting these activities in the first place.

The F&G do get federal funds like every other state but definitely not enough to maintain their budget. As far as poaching goes in our state the F&G will prosecute the person to the fullest extent of the laws we have. If caught your vehicle and everything in it will be impounded and sold at auction, you will face a huge fine and quite possibly jail time (depending on the infraction) and you will loose your privilege to hunt and fish for the rest of your life. NH is definitely not a state you want to get caught poaching in.

Joe

[MGF]

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These funds help maintain everything people use in the outdoors. The only people who get away without paying anything into the system are bicyclists, canoe and kayak users, and hikers.
Joe

"maintenence"? If the government needs so much money for their "maintenence" it's time to have the hikers and bikers share the cost. Especially given that all those hiking and biking trails just ruin areas for hunting.

We have lots of deer and even turkeys. What's hard to find is a decent place to hunt!

[dalewick]

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"maintenence"? If the government needs so much money for their "maintenence" it's time to have the hikers and bikers share the cost. Especially given that all those hiking and biking trails just ruin areas for hunting.

We have lots of deer and even turkeys. What's hard to find is a decent place to hunt!

Good Luck with taxing recreational users, their industry majorly BOOHOO's every time taxing hiking, biking, camping, etc. gear is even mentioned to the same degree as hunting and fishing equipment is. Through the Pitt/Robert or Johnson/Dingle Acts and their taxes, Hunting and Fishing pay for 100% of wildlife and fisheries management in the USA. Everone else wants to play but they don't want to pay!

[MGF]

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Good Luck with taxing recreational users, their industry majorly BOOHOO's every time taxing hiking, biking, camping, etc. gear is even mentioned to the same degree as hunting and fishing equipment is. Through the Pitt/Robert or Johnson/Dingle Acts and their taxes, Hunting and Fishing pay for 100% of wildlife and fisheries management in the USA. Everone else wants to play but they don't want to pay!

Yes and, as I understand it, hunting and fishing money even goes to pay for land and work where hunting isn't even permitted...like the hiking and biking trails that are such an obscene blemish upon our lands. Those trails just bring the noise and filth of the city deep into the woods.

Hunters and anglers pay all the money yet have the most limited and REGULATED access (especially hunters). For example, I have two public hunting areas near my home but there are very few squirrels and it's not permitted to leave a tree stand up unattended! So, you leave for lunch and have to take your stand down!

When I was 25, I might have had the energy to carry and set up all that gear with each trip but no more. To Hell with the DNR!

[myakka]

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I think that is why private hunt clubs are soooo popular (at least in the south, not sure about up north.) But if you are paying a couple grand a year in permits tags etc. It isnt a big leap to get ten friends and buy land. And for hogs and small game it opens up a lot of hunting to be on private land.