It looks like we are going back to pre-ban BS...

**Bayou Blaster** · 02-18-2009, 08:09 AM

Not sure I would want to deal with them from the personal stories I've heard and reports I've read. Here's an example:

http://www.jouster.com/cgi-bin/m16/m...ames;read=9397

Your experience/mileage may have been better. I'm just not a gambler.

I also avoid anything with the name Hesse or Vulcan on it.
Same generally with Century (hit or miss). I do own an R1A1 (FAL) however that runs perfectly, but I completely tore it down and inspected it before purchase.

**Long_Hunter** · 02-18-2009, 02:50 PM

I also own 2 x BMs, both are M4A3 Patrolman Carbines. They have chrome lined barrels and chambers. Very good rifles, once you re-stake the carrier keys. I also have a Colt 6920 and the Bushys have proven to be just as accurate and dependable.
Thanks.

**wcdustoff** · 04-08-2009, 11:34 PM

Originally Posted by Long_Hunter

I also own 2 x BMs, both are M4A3 Patrolman Carbines. They have chrome lined barrels and chambers. Very good rifles, once you re-stake the carrier keys. I also have a Colt 6920 and the Bushys have proven to be just as accurate and dependable.
Thanks.

How do you like the 6920 compared to the Bushys? I have a RRA rifle and a Double star (they are just down the road about 45 min from me) pistol with a 7.5 inch DPMS upper. I am currently building my next one on a LCW lower. I have been looking at the 6920, and don't know if it is worth the money to buy the Colt. I know, I am going to make people mad, by saying that, lol, but from what research I have done, 95% of the parts are only really made by a couple of companies, and everyone else just puts their name on them.

**slowz1k** · 04-09-2009, 11:18 AM

Man! You guys are killing me!
Colts, BushMasters, multiple black rifles tucked away in the safe. Am I the only one who's married with kids? I guess I'm stuck with my little "frankenRifle" built from parts I've scavenged at shows and online auctions... At least until I can get a kid or two moved out of the house.

I got the chromed 1:7 chambered in 5.56 (Planned to shoot heavier grains before I realized the price difference between a 55gr, 62gr and 77gr.... the 77's must have a gold filling)
How can I tell what grade of steel was used for the barrel? i.e. 4140 or not. Should it be stamped as such? It was a gunshow purchase so info was limited.
I've spent some time on AR15.com, but after about ten minutes my head is spinning trying to process all of the information.

**Bayou Blaster** · 04-09-2009, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by slowz1k

Man! You guys are killing me!
Colts, BushMasters, multiple black rifles tucked away in the safe. Am I the only one who's married with kids? I guess I'm stuck with my little "frankenRifle" built from parts I've scavenged at shows and online auctions... At least until I can get a kid or two moved out of the house.

I got the chromed 1:7 chambered in 5.56 (Planned to shoot heavier grains before I realized the price difference between a 55gr, 62gr and 77gr.... the 77's must have a gold filling)
How can I tell what grade of steel was used for the barrel? i.e. 4140 or not. Should it be stamped as such? It was a gunshow purchase so info was limited.
I've spent some time on AR15.com, but after about ten minutes my head is spinning trying to process all of the information.

slowz1k

Most AR-15 barrels are typically made of 4140 or 4150 chromemoly steel. That is to say its a higher grade/harder grade of steel. The one in nine twist rate (one complete turn for every nine inches of barrel) is a good compromise. If your 1/7 barrel holds respectable groups at 100 yds with the lighter grain weight bullets then I'd say your good to good.

The tighter twist rate was obviously designed to stabilize the heavier grain weight bullets.

As far as multiple rifles; my first AR-15 variant was an amalgamation of parts just like yours. Guess what? Most manufacturers subcontract/outsource a lot of their parts to other manufacturers. So in a way they are amalgamations too. Mine worked great. I modernized/refurbished it to the point you could not tell it from the original. It became my sons 18th birthday gift.

Most people don't build up a collection of firearms overnight. Sure I've had my "Got to have it now" firearms, but I recognize good deals when I see them. Many gunshops offer layaways (I've used this method myself before).

Unfortunately firearm prices may not go down even if the demand slows. Just like food. I've got some brand new safe queens when they were still very affordable. Some of these firearms are now worth upwards of 5 times or more then what I paid for them! Most quality well taken care of firearms don't loose value unless you pawn or trade them. Get those firearms now while you still can.

**slowz1k** · 04-09-2009, 04:36 PM

Thanks again for the info Bayou Blaster.

My little rifle is a great shooter. To be honest, I've never fed it anything lighter than 62gr, so I'm not sure how the 55's would land. If I had to do it all over again, I think I would build a mid-length. though I've never shot one, I hear they are much smoother than the carbine's. I guess I can always keep an eye out for a mid-length upper, and slap it on when the wife isn't looking.

Thoughts on Carbine vs. Mid vs. Rifle?

**Apocalyptic_Sojourner** · 03-04-2010, 01:59 PM

Shit. Once Obama gets done with the economy & health care, you know he's coming for everyone's assault rifles. Or maybe he'll just regulate the hell out of ammuntion. He does love him some regulation.

**Thebiglaskowski** · 04-08-2011, 10:21 PM

Originally Posted by Apocalyptic_Sojourner

Shit. Once Obama gets done with the economy & health care, you know he's coming for everyone's assault rifles. Or maybe he'll just regulate the hell out of ammuntion. He does love him some regulation.

This is exactly what I feared, I am a gun owner a machinist and wanna be gunsmith...I am also a registered democrat and I lean towards socialist. I wanted to talk guns and plans

**KSDeputy** · 03-06-2012, 11:51 AM

My AR's are the original Colt. All the ammo I have is for the original twist barrel. One has a telescoping buttstock. They both shoot fine, and neither has a push button on the side, either. I guess I am old fashioned.

**gaLadhon** · 03-14-2012, 10:40 PM

My M4 is a bushmaster full milspec. gets very tight groups for stock off-the shelf. Paid well under $1k and its got full Magpul furniture & accessories. The comparable colt cost way more and not any better. My 6.8 has Mega Arms upper and lower receivers (top notch quality), ARP custom barrel and BCG, and I built the rest out myself. Total cost also around $1k. Its a tack driver and a hogzilla for sure! As an alternative to AR15.com forums, you should check out 68forums.com. They support ALL black rifles as well. Very knowledgable and helpful peeps there, as evidenced by the ease with which I built my 6.8!